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Does-it-Matter · Jun 17, 2006, 08:51 PM // 20:51

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Chess is a strategy game. Guild Wars, is a CCORPG....the RPG stands for Role Playing.. Game.

Indeed, so is Final Fantasy 8, but asside from that little card side game, it was a Dungeon Crawl.

The "Role-Playing" part simply means that it involves creating and/or developing a character throughout a storyline.

The environment that the RPG is set in defines how the characters are implimented.

Example Environments:

Dungeon & Dragons
Final Fantasy (8 for example)
Guild Wars
... These are examples of Dungeon Crawl RPGs. Everything revolves around combat. You win through combat.

Werewolf: The Apocalype
Vampire: The Masquarde
Mage: The Ascension
Earth Dawn
... These are examples of Social RPGs. There are ways to advance through a storyline that doesn't involve combat or a pre-planned choice of responses. You don't necissarily "win" just by winning in combat.

WoW is a bit unique. I have yet to play it, but a significant number of my friends do play it. (Interesting statistical note, more Marines play WoW than GW). From what I've observed, it started as a Dungeon Crawl RPG, but through a lot of the features (fishing, tanning, etc.) it has blossomed into an odd-styled middle ground between what it was and a social RPG.

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Looking at this, we can make a few observations:

Guild Wars is an RPG, but by definition so is MechWarrior.
Having "RPG" added to anything does not automatically infer "social."
A quick look at the Game Suggestions area notices a "Petition to Add (Social) Role-Playing districts" thread, if this was a (social) RPG then, that would already exist.

So, yes, I agree with you, Guild Wars is an RPG, so are most video games, whether they are social or dungeon crawl.

Phenixfire · Jun 17, 2006, 09:12 PM // 21:12

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Originally Posted by Does-it-Matter

Why stop with weddings? Let's add resturants, hotels, dry cleaners! I mean, since we're recreating that "real life" thing we stopped paying attention to into a Dungeon Crawl video game...

because that would be totally out of place, after all, gw is a fantasy game, not a game that tries to mimic real life as it is when you step out of your door

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Originally Posted by Does-it-Matter

Pet Peeve of mine... I play Role-Playing Games, you know? The Pen and Paper type things (White Wolf Games for example), where you create a character and engage in not only physical situations, but mental and social ones too. One thing I hate, is when people want to play Hack&Slash characters, and engage in Dungeon Crawl (killing everything, "winning" by killing, gathering loot, concentrating on only combat.)

so do i :P btw, ad&d, 3rd edition is crap ^^ 2nd edition ftw :P
but after all, role playing games rely to a great part on combat. there is nth better than looting a priest of cthulu, finding some magic rings and some armor bracers

or just rising in levels to achieve a high lvl spell or get 2 attacks in 3 rounds.
its just part of the charm of such games, combat is a 'must' for those games.
but in order not to make it a hack n'slash game, a real world has to be created around the combat. thats role playing.
and if we dont want guild wars to become a pure hack n'slash game, we need a world around it too, a world that consists of more than merchants to sell loot, of trainers for skills ...

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Originally Posted by Does-it-Matter

Play the game for what it is. Please.

the game is what we make it ... if all people in guild wars were sitting on the ground, could you call it a team game then ( implemented in the word 'guild' )?
guild wars is a pvp game on the one hand, but on the other game a hack n'slash game. its sort of all about farming ^^
and since you dont like pure hack n'slash, shouldnt you be in favor for a bit of role playing around all this

? so be in favor of weddings ?

Does-it-Matter · Jun 17, 2006, 09:39 PM // 21:39

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Originally Posted by Phenixfire

because that would be totally out of place, after all, gw is a fantasy game, not a game that tries to mimic real life as it is when you step out of your door

Please don't take it out of context. Those were examples of elements not in the game, to ask how far are we willing to include "irrelevent" things into the game.

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role playing games rely to a great part on combat. there is nth better than looting a priest of cthulu, finding some magic rings and some armor bracers

or just rising in levels to achieve a high lvl spell or get 2 attacks in 3 rounds.
its just part of the charm of such games, combat is a 'must' for those games.

What you've listed, things such as "Gaining a higher" or "better spells" are very commong to Dungeon Crawl RPGs, not RPGs in general.

White Wolf games (Vampire, Werewolf, Mage, etc.) have NO level system. It's a social RPG. They have "status" elements of course.

Werewolves have Rank (socially based). Mages have arete/sphere levels (knowledge based). Vampires have Status/Generation (social based, mostly).

And while combat is present in varying levels (e.g. very present in Werewolf, but almost rare in a true Vampire: The Masquarade game) it is never the true focus. You could play for days without a single fight breaking out.

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but in order not to make it a hack n'slash game, a real world has to be created around the combat. thats role playing.

Exactly. That's how I defined the two "environments" (Social vs. Dungeon Crawl).

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and if we dont want guild wars to become a pure hack n'slash game

Well, Guild Wars is Hack & Slash. The storyline progress only through combat or pre-scripted choices of dialouge.

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we need a world around it too, a world that consists of more than merchants to sell loot, of trainers for skills ...

Well, it's an attempt. You can always try that.

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the game is what we make it ... if all people in guild wars were sitting on the ground, could you call it a team game then ( implemented in the word 'guild' )?

I don't understand where you're going with this really. If everyone decided to sit down, or if every decided not to log in, or if everyone decided to hit "/dance" at once... yeah its doing SOMETHING, but it's not what the game was intended to be focusing on.

Nothing says a community can't change this though.

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guild wars is a pvp game on the one hand, but on the other game a hack n'slash game.

Agreed.

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its sort of all about farming ^^

Not agreed. Nothing in the display box, the manual, or the game requires farming. You can beat the game by doing only the quests. You can of course farm later on to increase the capabilities and items of your character.

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and since you dont like pure hack n'slash, shouldnt you be in favor for a bit of role playing around all this

? so be in favor of weddings ?

I don't like Hack & Slash in social RPGs. I love them in Dungeon Crawl RPGS.

Undivine · Jun 17, 2006, 10:49 PM // 22:49

I didn't expect this thread to gain one of those bit-by-bit criteque posts. You know those posts where you take the post of the guy you're arguing against and slide a comment in after each sentance to criteque him? Like the post above me.

Oh well...

Anyway, congrats on the happy couple. I too wouldn't mind a /kiss or /hug emote for my girlfriend and I. Perhaps when you type /kiss with someone selected, your character runs up to them and leans in with the emote saying "soandso leans in to kiss you." When the other person targets you and types /kiss, your characters kiss.

Awwww....

NikkiIsNub · Jun 17, 2006, 11:19 PM // 23:19

/signed

I don't see the real problem. o_o

The only reason you buy a game is so you can have fun with it. This is fun to them. Let them have it and add more detail to their wedding. Ultimately you can't stop them from RPing it. They aren't ruining your time and if they are, then don't come to their wedding. If people start bothering you with the kiss emote it's as simple as moving to another district or retreating to your Guild Hall. And if you're guildies are doing, tell them to stop.

Easy-peasy.

Also, I think a kiss would be preferable to some of the other things people are doing with emotes. Have you seen the female elemetalist begjob?

Jondalar Crumbl3 · Jun 18, 2006, 01:35 AM // 01:35

Well then,

We might take the whole RP thingy one step further then most players, but it doesn't really bother nobody does it?
And no, its not obsessive or sad.

We're adding a bigger value to the game for ourselfes.
We're having fun, it pretty much kills all the dull moments ingame ('no opposing party found', anyone?)
and we're entertaining some guildmates with it,
so I really don't see a problem.

If you ask me, we and many other (rp-ing) players diserve a kiss and/or hug emote.
We just want do this marriage properly, and what's a marriage without a kiss?

Ofcourse it will probably be abused.
Not many emote's are really used properly anyways.

It's all in good fun, give us some support.

I won't bore you to death by reply'ing to each post but this just had to be said

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Originally Posted by Tongloid Tarthwood

A mesmer and a ranger can't get married! That would defy all class levels. Mesmers are supposed to be arrogant and would hardly consider a ranger a suitable husband. Or maybe I've gone too far on the RP track.

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Maybe she likes her men a bit on the rough side.. someone has to marry the black sheep =D

That made me laugh. hard.

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Originally Posted by fiery

A wedding in GW has happned before, what is wrong in expressing love within a game? If they love each other let them go their own way on expressing. Las Vegas weddings are weird so why not in a game, theres elvis, starwars, etc.

So many flamers, if you have nothing good to say don't say anything at all. Your input isn't needed when putting someone else down. Immaturity not needed to be added.

I couldn't have posted it any better then that.
I fully ²nd that post.

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Originally Posted by Ellador Nae

Keep the RP alive peeps, and have fun!

I'm trying as hard as possible

Thanks for the support !

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Originally Posted by shadowfell

I even believe there is a open petition to arena net to better support the role playing activities of these players.

Any idea where I can find and sign this thing?

In the end, Gw is still an Role playing game,
so it could use some more RP elements.

Cheers and much love towards my future wife ^^ for this thread
and many thanks to all who support the idea.

jummeth · Jun 18, 2006, 02:58 AM // 02:58

I don't see why there needs to be any special concessions for "married couples". What would be different after you are 'married'.

If you are argueing from a RP perspective, why would you need to actually have a system in game for your so called marriage. Just do the motions, and so on.

/kiss comand etc is probably not there to protect the younger audience in the game, since the avatars are drawn with a more realistic apperance etc.
However a comical emote would be harmless.

Back to marriage... what would you wanna get out of it, you can free map travel, so thats out of the question, you should not have any game altering changes such as, ability to share energy etc.... so what would change?

Just go have your 'wedding' invite your friends, have a fun time RPing, just I don't see what possible changes ANet can do for you w/o unbalancing the game.

Does-it-Matter · Jun 18, 2006, 03:29 AM // 03:29

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Originally Posted by Undivine

I didn't expect this thread to gain one of those bit-by-bit criteque posts. You know those posts where you take the post of the guy you're arguing against and slide a comment in after each sentance to criteque him? Like the post above me.

Would you rather I respond to everything the person says, or pick one thing out, and for all everyone knows, ignore the rest?

I only type things I expect to be relevant and/or responsive to the topic. I respond to everything others say, because I assume they do the same.

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Well, since I never really commented on the marriage issue (and I'm trying to stay on topic...)

What you do, and what I don't have to hear about, is completely your business. If you want to have a wedding, a funeral, or a PTA meeting, go for it!

If you want to have your character kneel, and then drop a mini pet simulating birth, do it!

I just don't want to hear about it, nor do I want to see "irrelevent" game updates before critical or ones relating to a Dungeon Crawl RPG.

Beyond that, you paid what I paid, and are entitled to do with the game what you want within legal rights.

fiery · Jun 19, 2006, 03:11 AM // 03:11

How about a spit emote? Theres one in WoW and you don't hear one bit of complaint, of "that tauren spat on me" wah wah wah.

Some people just need to find love, virtual or real life. For some can only share feelings through phone, or in this case GW, there is a such thing as long distance relationships.

Ellador Nae · Jun 19, 2006, 07:16 AM // 07:16

Worried for your reputation, eh?

I knew people were going to get all sarcastic and in a twist about this. God or whatever forbid Anet spent 5mins on something silly that makes a few people happy instead of on a new uber cool sword or axe!

It's a game and while people are having fun playing it (and not offending others), they're doing it right. If an emote helps them do that, how is that garbage? Then why have sync dance? Why dance in-game at all when you can do that in RL?

As for calling them pathetic etc.. lol, by that standard, anyone playing any game is pathetic. Just spending 10 hours a week getting a toon that does magic thru mobs of mutant monsters is pathetic. But hey, we like it, right? Playing solitaire must also imply that you have no life then. Or reading a book and imagining yourself in it.

But really. It's a friggin emote! lol. No-one asked for a house with a fence and birth simulations... (yuck, whoever said that btw) I too would like to see lag issues resolved, shorter load time, the end of error 7... but I wouldn't mind a few new funny emotes either.

art_ · Jun 19, 2006, 01:58 PM // 13:58

why not?

/signed

RPers are harmless.

Terra Xin · Jun 19, 2006, 02:20 PM // 14:20

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Originally Posted by Tongloid Tarthwood

A mesmer and a ranger can't get married! That would defy all class levels. Mesmers are supposed to be arrogant and would hardly consider a ranger a suitable husband. Or maybe I've gone too far on the RP track. I guess if you both want to get married it's ok. Only thing you might need is some dwarven ale (For the drunken party, afterwards) and flowers. Oh and a guild scrimmage after would work-to simulate bar fights.

Arrogant you say!! Whhhell... I shalt not put up with this snobbery *packs a huff and gives a little snarl + glare combination*

You know, GW has already had a wedding, or did y'all forget^^. Anyway "You have got to invite me!!!" Ingame character Flaux Terrahaven... send me invite!!! I'll be nice i promise.... ill cry though....^^. So if you ever somehow come across them... well^^ Im sure they have all the gear you need!

http://www.guildwars.com/events/inga...ingintyria.php

You know, I'm tired of people constantly whining about something as pointless as this, can't you direct your... whatever it is... to somewhere useful. If you think this idea sucks, then obviously the best thing to do is not say anything... alas, the tragedies that a Mesmer must face...

erick5876 · Jun 19, 2006, 03:08 PM // 15:08

I can't believe that people are getting angry over this...

It's been done before in countless games. WoW wasn't the first. Just about every MMORPG I've played has had this feature, or at least the /kiss or /hug emotes. This is a game... there's no need for a civil rights case.

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Originally Posted by Does-it-Matter

Pet Peeve of mine... I play Role-Playing Games, you know? The Pen and Paper type things (White Wolf Games for example), where you create a character and engage in not only physical situations, but mental and social ones too. One thing I hate, is when people want to play Hack&Slash characters, and engage in Dungeon Crawl (killing everything, "winning" by killing, gathering loot, concentrating on only combat.)

A dungeon crawl is an RPG, chief. Look at your deffinition of RPG. You do that through the storyline of GW. And what it really comes down to is,
I have to ask, does it really matter, Does-it-Matter?

/Signed for the emotes. I don't care why they're added, but I would like to see more emotes. Or at least a /me so people can come up with their own.

JR · Jun 19, 2006, 03:09 PM // 15:09

*puts on his robe and wizard hat*

"Oh Dumbledore, my knee is weak... Hold me!"

/roflsigned

(<3 ille)

dudeimoncoke · Jun 19, 2006, 04:29 PM // 16:29

Just play the sims. How about that? No need for new emotes or stupid in-game weddings

Xenrath · Jun 19, 2006, 04:37 PM // 16:37

/MyFemaleCharLooksNiceButIAmReallyAGuyNowLet'sKiss

or

/MyMaleCharLooksNiceButIAmReallyAGirlNowLet'sKiss

ought to blow a few minds lol

Lasher Dragon · Jun 19, 2006, 04:38 PM // 16:38

dudeimoncoke - hey, if you don't like the idea, then either /unsign and give your reasoning, or simply do not post in the thread to begin with. Flaming someone for how they choose to play their game is a bit ridiculous, even more so when coming from someone with your forum handle.

AlbinoChocobo · Jun 19, 2006, 04:54 PM // 16:54

/signed, but we'll need a /slap emote too. And probably a /throwicewater bucket too.

Mariena Feladon · Jun 19, 2006, 04:59 PM // 16:59

Roleplaying rules!

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Hi JR.

Juicey Shake · Jun 19, 2006, 05:21 PM // 17:21

/signed

but I always want a /cauliflower emote... 'so and so's cauliflower of love explo-....' ...nevermind.